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Post  marc on Sat 13 Aug 2011, 17:56

This is a part of the article "The Top Ten Bird Killers" that I have taken by http://exoticpetvet.net/avian/topten.html.
In this article has been underlined just as the unclipped wings is among the top ten causes of death of our birds.

I would like to know your thoughts about it.

This is the article:
2. Unclipped Wings
If a bird is to be allowed freedom outside of its cage, its wings should be properly clipped. This means that it can glide gracefully to the ground. If the wings are not clipped correctly, or if several primary wing feathers have grown back unbeknownst to the owner, an alarmed bird may end up flying erratically around the house, or worse, launching itself to the top of a tree! Some avian vets actually have a name for birds that have had run-ins with ceiling fans (shredded tweet!) If a bird is frightened, it may mistake a window or mirror for open spaces, and end up with a concussion. Contrary to popular belief, birds RARELY break their necks with such an injury. In all my years of practice, I have only seen two birds with compression fractures in neck vertebrae as a result of flying into an object. They can, and do, however, develop concussions, bleeding inside the brain, fractures, lacerations, ruptured air sacs and other serious, potentially deadly injuries, however.

I can't tell you the number of times that a client has told me that their bird, although flighted, never flies, yet they are calling to inform me that it has just flown away! The perils outdoors are too numerous to list.

Birds indoors have flown into pots of boiling water, open commodes, windows, mirrors, fondue pots and an active fireplace, to name just a few of the household hazards that I have seen.


Questa è una parte dell'articolo "The Top Ten Killers Bird" che ho preso da http://exoticpetvet.net/avian/topten.html.
In questo articolo è evidenziato il fatto che la mancanza di ali tarpate è tra le prime dieci cause di morte dei nostri uccelli.

Mi piacerebbe conoscere i vostri pensieri su di esso.

Questo è l'articolo:
2. Unclipped Wings
If a bird is to be allowed freedom outside of its cage, its wings should be properly clipped. This means that it can glide gracefully to the ground. If the wings are not clipped correctly, or if several primary wing feathers have grown back unbeknownst to the owner, an alarmed bird may end up flying erratically around the house, or worse, launching itself to the top of a tree! Some avian vets actually have a name for birds that have had run-ins with ceiling fans (shredded tweet!) If a bird is frightened, it may mistake a window or mirror for open spaces, and end up with a concussion. Contrary to popular belief, birds RARELY break their necks with such an injury. In all my years of practice, I have only seen two birds with compression fractures in neck vertebrae as a result of flying into an object. They can, and do, however, develop concussions, bleeding inside the brain, fractures, lacerations, ruptured air sacs and other serious, potentially deadly injuries, however.

I can't tell you the number of times that a client has told me that their bird, although flighted, never flies, yet they are calling to inform me that it has just flown away! The perils outdoors are too numerous to list.

Birds indoors have flown into pots of boiling water, open commodes, windows, mirrors, fondue pots and an active fireplace, to name just a few of the household hazards that I have seen.





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Post  iris63 on Sun 14 Aug 2011, 00:52


Marc, I think that in nature are exposed to many dangers and difficult to die of old age, and predators in nature are more exposed to diseases such as fungal infections and more rarely it can contract to stick with the herd, the farm in addition captivity are definitely taken care of in case of infections, etc., in large flocks, and the prevention is even made ​​(wrong for me) against these eventualities.
As for the wings you know what I think, for me is an outrage, and then also cut some feathers that can fly the same so the same if they can fly through the window, also if they are bred or not particularly lovebirds return, trusting man unless they get caught by someone you do not like it happened to me lately.




Marc io credo che anche in natura sono esposti a molti pericoli e difficilmente muoiono di vecchiaia, oltre ai predatori in natura sono esposti di più alle malattie come infezioni e micosi che più raramente possono contrarre con l'allevamento allo stecco, inoltre nell'allevamento in cattività vengono sicuramente curati in caso di infezioni ecc, e nei grandi allevamenti gli viene addirittura fatta una prevenzione (sbagliata per me) contro queste evenienze.
Per quanto riguarda le ali lo sai come la penso, per me è un sopruso, poi anche tagliando quel pò di penne riescono a volare lo stesso quindi possono lo stesso volare attraverso la finestra, inoltre se sono allevati o meno soprattutto gli inseparabili tornano, a meno che loro fidandosi dell'uomo non si lasciano prendere da qualcuno come è successo a me ultimamente.


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Post  Casey on Sun 14 Aug 2011, 01:12

I am not against clipping but I also think some things about clipping do not make sense.

A flighted bird has a quicker and better chance at escaping from danger or changing its course from danger than a clipped bird. For example, a predator or an aggressive bird. A flighted bird can get away where a clipped bird cannot, leaving it in danger to injury or worse. In households with other predators like cats or dogs, I'd much rather have a flighted bird than a clipped bird. A clipped bird who touches the ground is a sitting duck, where a flighted bird can get up high and get away faster, where a clipped bird is slower and not as controlled in their escape.

As for flying outdoors, a clipped bird can fly away just as a flighted bird can. An escaped clipped bird is easy prey for hawks, falcons, cats, possums, raccoons, foxes, etc. Flighted birds may fly farther but they have better chances of surviving and being recovered than a clipped bird if a clipped bird flies a good distance, especially with the wind.

Only fool proof way to not lose a bird out doors is to make sure doors and windows are closed and birds do not have access to open doors and windows.

I have cats as well as birds. When the birds have out of cage time, the cats are locked out of the room so birds can be safe and be birds. One day I came home from work and Munch had escaped his cage and the room's door was wide open and one of my cats was sitting on the rug looking at me. Munch was no where in sight... I found him a few minutes later napping on the playgym! NOT what I ever want to see again. Now his cage is secured better and he cannot escape. But if he were clipped, he would have been cat food right there! He was flighted so did not end up on the floor when he tried to fly.


Clipping is personal choice in the end. If you feel safer with your birds clipped, then that is up to you. Just to me, when I hear someone say they clip their bird because they have cats or don't want it to escape outside.... there are a lot of myths regarding that. Common sense says a bird is slower and doesn't react as fast if they are clipped and cannot get away fast enough. We had lost a bird to our cats too and he was clipped. Freak accidents happen but I'm sure it wouldn't have happened if he was flighted. He could not escape the cat fast enough!

That's my two cents. Smile

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Post  marc on Sun 14 Aug 2011, 01:41

Your thought is perfect for me; I don't cut the wings of my birds just as much as you do;
I have some birds trained at the free flight, thus I love to see them to fly in the sky;
Anyway I don't condemn who cuts the wings because I believe that there are some situations where is safer to cut than to uncut.
For example; for the persons that live in family where there are a lot of children the likely that someone opens a windows is very high as well as to lose the bird;
My guideline is like your thought and I will never cut the wings at a my bird (even if I did it in the past) anyway I know it is my guideline but it is not the rule.

Il tuo pensiero è perfetto per me, io non taglio le ali dei miei uccelli proprio come te;
Ho alcuni uccelli addestrati al volo libero, quindi mi piace vederli volare nel cielo;
Comunque io non condanno chi taglia le ali, perché credo che ci sono alcune situazioni in cui è più sicuro tagliare piuttosto che non tagliare.
Per esempio, per le persone che vivono in famiglia dove ci sono un sacco di bambini la probabilità che qualcuno apra una finestra è molto elevata così come quella di perdere l'uccello;
La mia guida è come il vostro pensiero e non potrò mai tagliare le ali ad un mio uccello (anche se l'ho fatto in passato) comunque so che è la mia guida, ma non è la regola.



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Post  Casey on Sun 14 Aug 2011, 03:24

ONE of my birds is semi clipped. He dive bombed me and attacked me every time he saw me with the camera and it really got out of hand especially when he would go after his cage mate too. So we clipped him a little so that he still CAN fly, just not as fast so we can all get away from his rage lol He has anger problems... Rolling Eyes It was a hard decision to give him that clip... But it did help with his attitude and help keep Dally safe...

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